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2012-04-18 9:50 AM
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That was 3 weeks for sure. They skipped the 5 week and the 4 week weigh in, as the schedules for all the other eliminated players were already set in stone. We just got a really accelerated episode. Pretty funny they showed a tiny bit of the tough mudder/previous contestants and then told to watch it online. Must have been pretty boring with just the 3 of them.

I'd like to read Mark's take on what set them off - they all watched previous seasons of the show so there HAD to have been more to it?? 

Be funny if Jermey wins to get right back on again.

Buddy will regret this for the rest of his life. Almost a certain win of 250K and instead makes the 20+ weeks away from family for nothing.



2012-04-18 9:52 AM
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Quite honestly, the best thing that could happen to Conda/Jeremy DID happen.  If they were BOTH in the finale or BOTH at home they are competing AGAINST each other.  In the end one of them SHOULD not be in the finals if they want the most chance at prizes.  BUT, they stayed on the ranch as long as possible, thus having the best advantage to lose weight (versus the contestants sent home week 2 that had to do it on their own and still compete for the same at home prize as the guy home 3+ months less).

Quit your whining!  This couldn't have gone better for you two!

2012-04-18 10:00 AM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-04-18 8:51 AM

That was appalling. 

It will be really hard to pick who is the true biggest loser, because all look like losers to me.

 

Best. Line.  Ever.

2012-04-18 11:53 AM
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Although I missed the first 20 minutes, this week was still very interesting how things panned out.  I really hope NBC gets their rear in gear and makes the next season better without so many self-entitled, whiny people.  Yeah, we don't see or know all that goes on but what is shown can't all be from creative editing.  Enough of Conda! Her spiel at the end when Jeremy didn't make the weigh-in was so juvenille.  Jeremy looked like he was going to throw a fit, then he appeared to compose himself and took the high road.  Reminded me a lot of the Chism/Mark reactions when he went under the line.

I'm so glad Kim won the car and not Jeremy or Conda.  Jeremy probably would have given it to his sister anyway.

To just walk away from a chance at $250,000 plus/or other prizes after sacrificing so much time and effort is just stupid.



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2012-04-18 11:56 AM
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One other thought.  If the shoe had been on the other foot...if Mark and Buddy had been sent home and were getting their shot at returning...I bet they would have thought it was fair....
2012-04-18 2:17 PM
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I would not be at all surprised to find out that NBC paid off Mark and Buddy to create drama for the show by walking off.  The whole thing seemed absurd to me how a lawyer can bring in their signed contract...and then still say "it's not fair".  It certainly drew ratings...and if I were NBC, I would be estatic about what happened if it really was Mark and Buddy's decision.

I also like how someone brought up the fact that Mark was so emphatic that the producers "make it happen" that Chism should not get eliminated and he should go home in his place.  So Mark felt that it was okay for him to make his own rules on the fly despite how unfair it would be to other contestants...yet he's not okay with the rules that the show laid out beforehand...despite how unfair he felt it was to him.

Lastly...what are these contestants so scared of.  They had the benefit of being on the ranch and having world class trainers at their disposal longer than the eliminated contestants.  How is it possible that they could lose in the finale to an previously eliminated contestant unless that people actually out worked them while at home (without the benefits of the ranch).  And if thats the case, how is that not fair? 



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2012-04-18 2:18 PM
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jldicarlo - 2012-04-18 6:56 AM One other thought.  If the shoe had been on the other foot...if Mark and Buddy had been sent home and were getting their shot at returning...I bet they would have thought it was fair....

Was Chism part of the contest to get back on the ranch?  Mark should have forbidden him to participate.

I think it would be hilarious to see Chism participate, win, then win the show.  And then we should see Mark's reaction.  Yeah...we don't want the $250k because it's not right.



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2012-04-18 2:23 PM
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tri808 - 2012-04-18 1:17 PM

I would not be at all surprised to find out that NBC paid off Mark and Buddy to create drama for the show by walking off.  The whole thing seemed absurd to me how a lawyer can bring in their signed contract...and then still say "it's not fair".  It certainly drew ratings...and if I were NBC, I would be estatic about what happened if it really was Mark and Buddy's decision.

I also like how someone brought up the fact that Mark was so emphatic that the producers "make it happen" that Chism should not get eliminated and he should go home in his place.  So Mark felt that it was okay for him to make his own rules on the fly despite how unfair it would be to other contestants...yet he's not okay with the rules that the show laid out beforehand...despite how unfair he felt it was to him.

Lastly...what are these contestants so scared of.  They had the benefit of being on the ranch and having world class trainers at their disposal longer than the eliminated contestants.  How is it possible that they could lose in the finale to an previously eliminated contestant unless that people actually out worked them while at home (without the benefits of the ranch).  And if thats the case, how is that not fair? 



I think we see that next week.....they didnt show it.
2012-04-18 2:24 PM
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BigDH - 2012-04-18 9:23 AM
tri808 - 2012-04-18 1:17 PM

I would not be at all surprised to find out that NBC paid off Mark and Buddy to create drama for the show by walking off.  The whole thing seemed absurd to me how a lawyer can bring in their signed contract...and then still say "it's not fair".  It certainly drew ratings...and if I were NBC, I would be estatic about what happened if it really was Mark and Buddy's decision.

I also like how someone brought up the fact that Mark was so emphatic that the producers "make it happen" that Chism should not get eliminated and he should go home in his place.  So Mark felt that it was okay for him to make his own rules on the fly despite how unfair it would be to other contestants...yet he's not okay with the rules that the show laid out beforehand...despite how unfair he felt it was to him.

Lastly...what are these contestants so scared of.  They had the benefit of being on the ranch and having world class trainers at their disposal longer than the eliminated contestants.  How is it possible that they could lose in the finale to an previously eliminated contestant unless that people actually out worked them while at home (without the benefits of the ranch).  And if thats the case, how is that not fair? 

I think we see that next week.....they didnt show it.

yeah...I just looked up wikipedia and noticed

2012-04-18 2:40 PM
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Everybody's points are spot on about how absurd the contestants behavior was last night. I have one thing to add. At the weigh-in Jeremy actually made the point my family and I were screaming about. Those remaining contestants aren't there just because they worked hard or harder than anyone else. A huge component of this game is being fortunate enough to have a big enough weight loss at the right time, being on the right team, or being on the right side of an alliance. Jeremy lost 10 lbs and it wasn't enough. He said it just didn't work out for him this time. Exactly. How many of the others contestants were victims of circumstance and got sent home because of it? Plenty. If it's in the rules that they get to come back in a challenge and compete for a shot at the final, then so be it. They have just as much of a claim on that as those still on the ranch.

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2012-04-18 2:43 PM
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Oh, my favorite part about last night was getting to see more of the behind the scenes!  I loved it!  I want a survivor episode like that!  I want to see other camera men in the picture!  I want to see that the contestants see Ali and the trainers outside of the gym!  That was great!


2012-04-18 2:55 PM
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Without having access to the Contract, I am entirely specualting here, but my guess is that NBC has not and will not pursue any monies from Buddy or Mark.  Fairly certain the contestants have the right to leave the ranch at their choosing (as I think 1 or 2 others did earlier in the season).  However, if you choose to leave, there are likely very strict and clear provisions on what you can say, confidentiality clauses ... etc.  If you breach those, all bets are off and the Network could pursue damages which are likely completely spelled out in each individual's contract.  Remember, its not just the value of what they received on the ranch, they are also paid based on the income lost while participating on the show.  It is likely we will never hear anymore than what Buddy and Mark said last night as their silence to some degree has been purchased. 

I was thinking last night when they showed the commercial for the BL weight loss camp with Ramon - "Man he was so annoying at times last season, but geez, I would take his enthusiasm 100 times over all these depressing contestants this year."  Maybe it was done off camera but would have liked to have seen Bob and Dolvett lose their sh&t a bit more on the group.

2012-04-18 4:31 PM
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cjkelly0729 - 2012-04-18 9:55 AM

Maybe it was done off camera but would have liked to have seen Bob and Dolvett lose their sh&t a bit more on the group.

When Bob and Dolvett were talking to them by the pool, you could really tell the just wanted to yell at them and tell them how selfish they were acting...but they knew that would only drive them away.  I was really hoping to see Bob or Dolvett just tell them "Eff you guys" and just walk off.

 

2012-04-18 4:41 PM
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Oh oh...the part where Bob said something like, "like they do EVERY season" in regards to bringing back previous contestants like this shouldn't be a surprise!

I laughed out loud at that!

2012-04-18 5:16 PM
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tri808 - 2012-04-18 2:18 PM

Was Chism part of the contest to get back on the ranch?  Mark should have forbidden him to participate.

I think it would be hilarious to see Chism participate, win, then win the show.  And then we should see Mark's reaction.  Yeah...we don't want the $250k because it's not right.

He was in the group when the eliminated contestants came back at the end of the show.

2012-04-18 10:38 PM
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tri808 - 2012-04-18 12:17 PM

I would not be at all surprised to find out that NBC paid off Mark and Buddy to create drama for the show by walking off.  The whole thing seemed absurd to me how a lawyer can bring in their signed contract...and then still say "it's not fair".  It certainly drew ratings...and if I were NBC, I would be estatic about what happened if it really was Mark and Buddy's decision. 

I'm super super cynical about this show, and also would not be a bit surprised if the whole thing was cooked up by the producers, NBC and TMZ.  Recall that there was very little independent reporting of this whole incident, just a lot of news outlets "reporting" on the TMZ report.

Either that or these are just the stupidest F-wads on the planet--which I'll allow is also plausible.



2012-04-19 1:37 AM
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I finally watched the end of the episode on DVR, and freeze framed the shot of all the contestants standing together.  None of them look that great...or at least even in Kim's ballpark.  It still looks like Jeremy might be the only one who even has a chance to beat Kim overall...but if I was him, I would look at everyone else who's been eliminated, and figure I've got the at home prize in the bag...all I have to do is not win the challenge to get into the finale.  Because the person who wins the finale, will likely lose to Kim anyway. 

Kim's got that killer instinct.  And I have no doubt she will be relentless and dehydrate herself to a prune in order to win the finale.  When you're a former pro wrestler, you perform 6-7 times a week...you learn to grind.  I don't think any of the other contestants have it in them to win the contest.  I wouldn't doubt that Kim could gain a lot of weight back...and that other contestants may do a better job of keeping the weight off long term.  But Kim is focused on winning this show...almost to a fault.

2012-04-19 8:01 AM
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Seriously, that aqua dudes tie. WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO WEAR A TIE? No one else seems to have any overt personalization of their outfit going on.
2012-04-19 8:04 AM
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tjh - 2012-04-18 10:38 PM

Either that or these are just the stupidest F-wads on the planet--which I'll allow is also plausible.

LOL! 

2012-04-19 8:58 AM
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tri808 - 2012-04-19 1:37 AM

I finally watched the end of the episode on DVR, and freeze framed the shot of all the contestants standing together.  None of them look that great...or at least even in Kim's ballpark.  It still looks like Jeremy might be the only one who even has a chance to beat Kim overall...but if I was him, I would look at everyone else who's been eliminated, and figure I've got the at home prize in the bag...all I have to do is not win the challenge to get into the finale.  Because the person who wins the finale, will likely lose to Kim anyway. 

Kim's got that killer instinct.  And I have no doubt she will be relentless and dehydrate herself to a prune in order to win the finale.  When you're a former pro wrestler, you perform 6-7 times a week...you learn to grind.  I don't think any of the other contestants have it in them to win the contest.  I wouldn't doubt that Kim could gain a lot of weight back...and that other contestants may do a better job of keeping the weight off long term.  But Kim is focused on winning this show...almost to a fault.

I don't know, she really doesn't have that much left to lose...I just can't see her winning.  Even though other contestants have less of a percentage NOW, she has almost nothing left to go and the others have another 4-5 months to get to where she is and beyond...

2012-04-19 9:06 AM
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I actually think Kim can do it.  When they showed her in the "off camera" shots, she had a bit of a spare tire.   They are wearing compression gear when we see them.  Also, she's at 41% weight loss as of the last show and Jeremy was at 38% I think (I did the math a few days ago).  She'd onloy need to lose another 10-15 lbs which is doable.  At 5'8'' I think 130s are reachable.  Not normal or maintainable, but reachable.


2012-04-19 1:02 PM
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BigDH - 2012-04-19 9:01 AM Seriously, that aqua dudes tie. WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO WEAR A TIE? No one else seems to have any overt personalization of their outfit going on.

THANK YOU!!! Yes, his love of neck scarves with every outfit, including t-shirts is maddening. 

2012-04-19 3:08 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-04-19 4:06 AM I actually think Kim can do it.  When they showed her in the "off camera" shots, she had a bit of a spare tire.   They are wearing compression gear when we see them.  Also, she's at 41% weight loss as of the last show and Jeremy was at 38% I think (I did the math a few days ago).  She'd onloy need to lose another 10-15 lbs which is doable.  At 5'8'' I think 130s are reachable.  Not normal or maintainable, but reachable.

I agree.  I think she can shave down to 135, and dehydrate herself to 128ish.  Definately not maintainable, as she looks like she would be healthy at 155.

I seriously doubt the have 4-5 months between what we saw on Tuesday to the live finale.  More like 1...maybe 2 months.  We've already gone through about 15 episodes, which is probably about 4 months of real time (not every episode is 1 real week).  I doubt the contest actually lasts 8-9 months...especially since they usually have 2 seasons of TBL each year.  Last season only had 12 episodes before the finale...so this season is already "long" as it is.

2012-04-19 3:54 PM
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tri808 - 2012-04-19 3:08 PM

BikerGrrrl - 2012-04-19 4:06 AM I actually think Kim can do it.  When they showed her in the "off camera" shots, she had a bit of a spare tire.   They are wearing compression gear when we see them.  Also, she's at 41% weight loss as of the last show and Jeremy was at 38% I think (I did the math a few days ago).  She'd onloy need to lose another 10-15 lbs which is doable.  At 5'8'' I think 130s are reachable.  Not normal or maintainable, but reachable.

I agree.  I think she can shave down to 135, and dehydrate herself to 128ish.  Definately not maintainable, as she looks like she would be healthy at 155.

I seriously doubt the have 4-5 months between what we saw on Tuesday to the live finale.  More like 1...maybe 2 months.  We've already gone through about 15 episodes, which is probably about 4 months of real time (not every episode is 1 real week).  I doubt the contest actually lasts 8-9 months...especially since they usually have 2 seasons of TBL each year.  Last season only had 12 episodes before the finale...so this season is already "long" as it is.

It's typically 4 months on the ranch and 4-5 months at home after the ranch.  Remember the season the one contestant came to the finale 5 months pregnant?  She did not make that baby on the ranch!

2012-04-19 4:33 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-04-19 4:06 AM I actually think Kim can do it.  When they showed her in the "off camera" shots, she had a bit of a spare tire.   They are wearing compression gear when we see them.  Also, she's at 41% weight loss as of the last show and Jeremy was at 38% I think (I did the math a few days ago).  She'd onloy need to lose another 10-15 lbs which is doable.  At 5'8'' I think 130s are reachable.  Not normal or maintainable, but reachable.

I agree.  I think she can shave down to 135, and dehydrate herself to 128ish.  Definately not maintainable, as she looks like she would be healthy at 155.

I seriously doubt the have 4-5 months between what we saw on Tuesday to the live finale.  More like 1...maybe 2 months.  We've already gone through about 15 episodes, which is probably about 4 months of real time (not every episode is 1 real week).  I doubt the contest actually lasts 8-9 months...especially since they usually have 2 seasons of TBL each year.  Last season only had 12 episodes before the finale...so this season is already "long" as it is.

It's typically 4 months on the ranch and 4-5 months at home after the ranch.  Remember the season the one contestant came to the finale 5 months pregnant?  She did not make that baby on the ranch!

That was season 3...10 seasons ago.  I don't think they do it that way anymore.  It was also during a time when TBL would only have one season each year (from 2004-2007).  Ever since 2008, they have been having 2 seasons each calandar year.  Erik won that season, and lost 90 pounds from the last episode to the finale...so yes, 4-5 months is very likely as that would have put him at about 1.7% per week loss while at home.

Last season, John and Antione lost 42 and 48 pounds from the last episode to the finale.  I seriously doubt that it took each of them 4-5 months to lose that kind of weight when $250k is on the line.  4-5 months is roughly 19 weeks.  At 250+ pounds, 1% is 2.5 pounds.  So you're basically saying they lost about 1% per week?  Doubt it.  At 1-2 months, or 6 weeks, it would be more like 3% per week.  Just seems a little more likely. 

But maybe I'm wrong...just making observations...I really have no clue. 

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