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2018-01-20 7:29 AM
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"Cold weather gear" here (that comes out maybe 2 days a year) consists of a single pair of capri-length tights and one long-sleeve tech shirt with a zipper top that I can pull down and sleeves I can roll up when I get warm after 5-10 minutes. Yes, you can hate me. But you might not enjoy trying to do a tempo run or long brick with heat index pushing 120. That would be our "spring" weather in April and May.


2018-01-20 9:23 AM
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"Cold weather gear" here (that comes out maybe 2 days a year) consists of a single pair of capri-length tights and one long-sleeve tech shirt with a zipper top that I can pull down and sleeves I can roll up when I get warm after 5-10 minutes. Yes, you can hate me. But you might not enjoy trying to do a tempo run or long brick with heat index pushing 120. That would be our "spring" weather in April and May.
I'll take "cold" over 85*+ & 65%+ humidity any day of the week. We've had an unusually cold stretch here (just like the rest of the east coast I suppose). Most years, a cold snap might keep me off the road for a few days but then temps get back to the 60's or higher. I like colder weather so I've enjoyed it overall, but no so much for bike rides.
2018-01-20 11:55 AM
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I can't do hot. I will melt like Frosty. Give me a balmy 50 F any day.
2018-01-20 3:03 PM
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It was SO nice to run in short sleeves today!!! That said, 20 miles is a LLOONNGG way to go. Good news is I had a GREAT run for 18.5/20 miles today. Bad news? I made the mistake of looking at Training Peaks for next week and I'm going 22 on Saturday. The silver lining? NO HILLS!!!
2018-01-20 10:32 PM
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I can't do hot. I will melt like Frosty. Give me a balmy 50 F any day.


agree! anything over 70 and I wilt.
2018-01-20 10:36 PM
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It was SO nice to run in short sleeves today!!! That said, 20 miles is a LLOONNGG way to go. Good news is I had a GREAT run for 18.5/20 miles today. Bad news? I made the mistake of looking at Training Peaks for next week and I'm going 22 on Saturday. The silver lining? NO HILLS!!!


Nice job Nancy!


2018-01-21 5:32 AM
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Originally posted by glfprncs It was SO nice to run in short sleeves today!!! That said, 20 miles is a LLOONNGG way to go. Good news is I had a GREAT run for 18.5/20 miles today. Bad news? I made the mistake of looking at Training Peaks for next week and I'm going 22 on Saturday. The silver lining? NO HILLS!!!

well done! 20 miles is long, but 22 is a piece of cake

2018-01-21 6:53 AM
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Ugh....this is what's really giving me pause about full IM. Never thought I'd say it, but the run! The idea of a 3.8 km swim, unless we are talking some sort of big shore break situation or sharks or icy water, doesn't bother me at all. I am not super fast but I have been a distance swimmer since I was a tween and can keep going at a decent clip for 2-3 hours if needed. The bike would have scared me five years ago, but not now. Just like a long day on a bike tour. But the run......I have not done a marathon in--I think--18 years now, nor any training run or race leg over about 2:15. I think that a 2-hour run, actually anything over about 90 minutes, is "long".

Keep thinking about what a 3-hour run might feel like here, or a four-hour plus run anywhere. Long runs were long enough when I was young and fast and a 20-mile run was a matter of 2:20 or something at a pace so fast I could not maintain it for probably one mile now. And then there is the small matter of the 112 mile bike preceding it. OMG.
2018-01-21 7:06 AM
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I survived the hills and the heat

But I will say that it was the hardest "run" I have ever done. The kilometre that included the very steep hill took me 24 minutes to complete - I have to get faster on hills.
2018-01-21 8:36 AM
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Ugh....this is what's really giving me pause about full IM. Never thought I'd say it, but the run! The idea of a 3.8 km swim, unless we are talking some sort of big shore break situation or sharks or icy water, doesn't bother me at all. I am not super fast but I have been a distance swimmer since I was a tween and can keep going at a decent clip for 2-3 hours if needed. The bike would have scared me five years ago, but not now. Just like a long day on a bike tour. But the run......I have not done a marathon in--I think--18 years now, nor any training run or race leg over about 2:15. I think that a 2-hour run, actually anything over about 90 minutes, is "long".

Keep thinking about what a 3-hour run might feel like here, or a four-hour plus run anywhere. Long runs were long enough when I was young and fast and a 20-mile run was a matter of 2:20 or something at a pace so fast I could not maintain it for probably one mile now. And then there is the small matter of the 112 mile bike preceding it. OMG.


just take it a little bit at a time and build the volume; trust the training plan
2018-01-21 8:57 AM
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Originally posted by StaceyK I survived the hills and the heat But I will say that it was the hardest "run" I have ever done. The kilometre that included the very steep hill took me 24 minutes to complete - I have to get faster on hills.

congrats on getting it done!



2018-01-21 11:19 AM
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I survived the hills and the heat

But I will say that it was the hardest "run" I have ever done. The kilometre that included the very steep hill took me 24 minutes to complete - I have to get faster on hills.


We have a local half marathon that goes up a VERY steep hill for just about 1 1/2 miles. I have friends that refuse to walk; however, I've walked at least part of it every time I've done the race, and I pass people while walking while they are still running.

There are hills and then there's HILLS (which is what you experienced today). Sometimes the terrain is just so unusual that preparing for it is almost impossible.

I read Dion Leonard's account of a 36-hour, 100 mile race he did in Hawaii last week. It was 5 20-mile loops, and his fourth loop was well over 7 miles because of the terrain. The percentage of finishers is less than 35%. These are hard core ultramarathoners who do these 200 mile races across deserts, yet the terrain still is too much of a challenge for many.

So, well done, you!
2018-01-21 4:38 PM
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Nancy - Great job on your 20!

Stacey - Congrats on your trail run!

2018-01-21 7:15 PM
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Originally posted by Hot Runner

Ugh....this is what's really giving me pause about full IM. Never thought I'd say it, but the run! The idea of a 3.8 km swim, unless we are talking some sort of big shore break situation or sharks or icy water, doesn't bother me at all. I am not super fast but I have been a distance swimmer since I was a tween and can keep going at a decent clip for 2-3 hours if needed. The bike would have scared me five years ago, but not now. Just like a long day on a bike tour. But the run......I have not done a marathon in--I think--18 years now, nor any training run or race leg over about 2:15. I think that a 2-hour run, actually anything over about 90 minutes, is "long".

Keep thinking about what a 3-hour run might feel like here, or a four-hour plus run anywhere. Long runs were long enough when I was young and fast and a 20-mile run was a matter of 2:20 or something at a pace so fast I could not maintain it for probably one mile now. And then there is the small matter of the 112 mile bike preceding it. OMG.


You raise a great point. You are one of the most talented athletes in the group. There is no question in my mind that if you decided to do an iron distance race, you would have an impressive time. But if you don't have the want to do that distance, the whole experience is just horrible. If you did decide to do it, I think it would be great to follow your race, because I am sure that I would be wowed by your time.
2018-01-21 8:04 PM
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This photo pretty much sums up yesterday’s hills (I’m not in this photo)



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2018-01-21 10:57 PM
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My thought is I probably wouldn't know if I liked that distance until I tried it. It's less the race day and more the reality of training for it here in the tropics (particularly the run--I detest treadmills and they don't agree with my body, so we'd be talking long runs outside) that scares me. Endurance is my forte and I'm really good at holding a steady pace for a long time; tend to really struggle with the high intensity of sprint and sometimes Only (cramping and especially nausea). Those issues are a lot less with HIM most of the time if I pace properly. I would definitely like to do a full IM at some point; I think I wouldn't know until afterwards if that would be a "one and done" bucket list kind of thing, or something I'd want to do more in the future.

I think I would probably do well if I was properly prepared and no unforeseen issues with illness, nutrition, etc. Mentally it is easier if I think of it more like a long hike--I have done plenty of 12-hour days on the trail. Debating maybe trying an iron-length Aquabike (either as a race or in training) this summer, at least to get a feel for how I might feel after riding 180 km.


2018-01-21 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by Hot Runner Ugh....this is what's really giving me pause about full IM. Never thought I'd say it, but the run! The idea of a 3.8 km swim, unless we are talking some sort of big shore break situation or sharks or icy water, doesn't bother me at all. I am not super fast but I have been a distance swimmer since I was a tween and can keep going at a decent clip for 2-3 hours if needed. The bike would have scared me five years ago, but not now. Just like a long day on a bike tour. But the run......I have not done a marathon in--I think--18 years now, nor any training run or race leg over about 2:15. I think that a 2-hour run, actually anything over about 90 minutes, is "long". Keep thinking about what a 3-hour run might feel like here, or a four-hour plus run anywhere. Long runs were long enough when I was young and fast and a 20-mile run was a matter of 2:20 or something at a pace so fast I could not maintain it for probably one mile now. And then there is the small matter of the 112 mile bike preceding it. OMG.

I have only done one stand alone marathon and it was waaaaaaay worse than either IM.  The bike is a nice warm up .  Longest I go in training for an IM is 2:30 as well.  Proper training and you would have no problem.

2018-01-21 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by StaceyK This photo pretty much sums up yesterday’s hills (I’m not in this photo)

I'm pretty sure we can say epic here!  Way to go!

2018-01-22 4:13 AM
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Originally posted by StaceyK This photo pretty much sums up yesterday’s hills (I’m not in this photo)

wow!

2018-01-22 5:39 AM
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That looks like an expedition, not a race!
2018-01-22 8:21 AM
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Originally posted by Hot Runner That looks like an expedition, not a race!

Exactly! I was thinking adventure race!



2018-01-22 9:20 AM
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Originally posted by StaceyK This photo pretty much sums up yesterday’s hills (I’m not in this photo)

Wow, great job getting it done!  That does look quite steep! 

2018-01-22 9:54 AM
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Originally posted by StaceyK This photo pretty much sums up yesterday’s hills (I’m not in this photo)

Wow, great job getting it done!  That does look quite steep! 

Crazy! (translation: AWESOME!)

2018-01-22 11:36 AM
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My thought is I probably wouldn't know if I liked that distance until I tried it. It's less the race day and more the reality of training for it here in the tropics (particularly the run--I detest treadmills and they don't agree with my body, so we'd be talking long runs outside) that scares me. Endurance is my forte and I'm really good at holding a steady pace for a long time; tend to really struggle with the high intensity of sprint and sometimes Only (cramping and especially nausea). Those issues are a lot less with HIM most of the time if I pace properly. I would definitely like to do a full IM at some point; I think I wouldn't know until afterwards if that would be a "one and done" bucket list kind of thing, or something I'd want to do more in the future.

I think I would probably do well if I was properly prepared and no unforeseen issues with illness, nutrition, etc. Mentally it is easier if I think of it more like a long hike--I have done plenty of 12-hour days on the trail. Debating maybe trying an iron-length Aquabike (either as a race or in training) this summer, at least to get a feel for how I might feel after riding 180 km.


When I trained for IM Boulder, my coach broke my long runs up. 1 in the morning, 1 in the afternoon, and an evening run or 11-13 miles in the morning and 6 in the evening. He does that with all of his athletes, not just the pretend runners like me. He has about 5 who have Kona qualified so it does work.
2018-01-22 11:37 AM
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This photo pretty much sums up yesterday’s hills (I’m not in this photo)


Oh my!
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