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2016-10-02 5:49 AM
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Originally posted by Hot Runner There apparently is an orienteering component to Aussie triathlon that I was not previously aware of! Next time will bring a GPS mapping unit with turn-by-turn instructions.

'Straya, land of tough blokes and sheilas who speak Strine and have no heated homes in winter. They do everything harder here They do have XPD races here (multi-stage multi-sport events which include orienteering) ... Kingsley's sister and her partner did one covering 800km. They'll actually put on an event sometime next year.

I was wrong about the weather for the duathlon (on FB). I said it was 10C (50F) and rainy at the start, with winds 40-50kph (25-30mph) and gusts well above.

Wind was 50-60kph (30-36mph) gusting 70-85kph (42-53mph). Run was bad but the bike was utterly miserable. Also because of craploads of debris.



2016-10-02 7:41 AM
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That does sound like crap weather. Hope you are okay! (I don't do Facebook, sorry, so don't know if you are okay or posting this from ER.)

I was wondering about the heat situation there. It got a little nippy (by my tropical standards) at night in Mooloolaba, and I noticed there wasn't any set-up for heating (except for a couple of extra blankets) where I was staying. Actually used to that. My parents must be Australian at heart--our house is always freezing in winter. Then there was China--I don't know if it is still like that, but back in the day, there was no heat in northern China until the government turned it on on November 15, no matter when the first cold snap hit. One year it was 16F before the heat was turned on. That was the year I got a down mummy bag....to use in my apartment. And south of the Yangtze River.....no heat at all. Doesn't matter if you are 10,000+ feet up on the Tibetan plateau, either. NO HEAT! And I have been to Lhasa and even further up the plateau in winter. I was running laps of the hotel hallways (Yes--at that altitude!) at night to keep from freezing and work up enough body heat to retain under the 15 blankets. Don't advise it for you!
2016-10-02 9:43 AM
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Run for the Toad 50km race - report up

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

really Fork'in happy about this one.
2016-10-03 12:36 PM
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Speaking of autumn, I was struck by the difference in the leaves in the Finger Lakes region of NY where the leaves were starting to change, showing off quite a few oranges, yellows and reds, but a bit over 3 hours south in PA where I live, most all the trees are still green.  I've witnessed this slight difference in latitudes mainly in the spring when nothing is blooming in PA, but head 2 hours south to MD and all the spring flowers are in bloom.  Crazy!

2016-10-03 2:52 PM
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Did anyone happen to see any of the pics of the conditions on the run at IMMD on Saturday?  BRUTAL.  They cancelled the swim because of rough conditions and storms, shortened the bike, and most of the run was held on flooded streets.  Pictures/videos I saw on FB of friends doing the race showed runners slogging through water anywhere from ankle to calf-deep, so walking, not running.  A few intrepid folks were trying to 'run' in some of the videos I saw but it couldn't have been easy nor fun.  Most stories coming out of the race are that it was the hardest thing people had done.  Personally I think the race is cursed! (only half joking)

2016-10-03 3:20 PM
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Originally posted by melbo55

Did anyone happen to see any of the pics of the conditions on the run at IMMD on Saturday?  BRUTAL.  They cancelled the swim because of rough conditions and storms, shortened the bike, and most of the run was held on flooded streets.  Pictures/videos I saw on FB of friends doing the race showed runners slogging through water anywhere from ankle to calf-deep, so walking, not running.  A few intrepid folks were trying to 'run' in some of the videos I saw but it couldn't have been easy nor fun.  Most stories coming out of the race are that it was the hardest thing people had done.  Personally I think the race is cursed! (only half joking)




This may just be me inventing things in my head, but I don't remember so many weather issues when this race was ChesapeakeMan. Although....perhaps it was in late September, and was moved to October when it became IMMD? Those few weeks can be a big deal with regard to hurricane season. Or....you know.....cursed.


2016-10-03 3:39 PM
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Originally posted by melbo55

Speaking of autumn, I was struck by the difference in the leaves in the Finger Lakes region of NY where the leaves were starting to change, showing off quite a few oranges, yellows and reds, but a bit over 3 hours south in PA where I live, most all the trees are still green.  I've witnessed this slight difference in latitudes mainly in the spring when nothing is blooming in PA, but head 2 hours south to MD and all the spring flowers are in bloom.  Crazy!

I noticed this two years ago when we drove from here to Nova Scotia at this time of year. Through New Brunswick and Quebec they had noticeable leaf changes and then we got back to Ontario where it was all still green (I also noticed the change in the type of roadkill, but that is another topic)

Colours are just starting peek out here now. It's been a warm September for us - no risk of frost on the horizon ... weird. 

2016-10-03 4:26 PM
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Originally posted by Atlantia
Originally posted by melbo55

Did anyone happen to see any of the pics of the conditions on the run at IMMD on Saturday?  BRUTAL.  They cancelled the swim because of rough conditions and storms, shortened the bike, and most of the run was held on flooded streets.  Pictures/videos I saw on FB of friends doing the race showed runners slogging through water anywhere from ankle to calf-deep, so walking, not running.  A few intrepid folks were trying to 'run' in some of the videos I saw but it couldn't have been easy nor fun.  Most stories coming out of the race are that it was the hardest thing people had done.  Personally I think the race is cursed! (only half joking)

This may just be me inventing things in my head, but I don't remember so many weather issues when this race was ChesapeakeMan. Although....perhaps it was in late September, and was moved to October when it became IMMD? Those few weeks can be a big deal with regard to hurricane season. Or....you know.....cursed.

Yes, it was mid-to late September.  I think they may have changed the swim course as well.  I believe that the area used for the practice swim this weekend was the actual swim course for Chesapeakman. 

2016-10-03 5:30 PM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by Atlantia
Originally posted by melbo55

Did anyone happen to see any of the pics of the conditions on the run at IMMD on Saturday?  BRUTAL.  They cancelled the swim because of rough conditions and storms, shortened the bike, and most of the run was held on flooded streets.  Pictures/videos I saw on FB of friends doing the race showed runners slogging through water anywhere from ankle to calf-deep, so walking, not running.  A few intrepid folks were trying to 'run' in some of the videos I saw but it couldn't have been easy nor fun.  Most stories coming out of the race are that it was the hardest thing people had done.  Personally I think the race is cursed! (only half joking)

This may just be me inventing things in my head, but I don't remember so many weather issues when this race was ChesapeakeMan. Although....perhaps it was in late September, and was moved to October when it became IMMD? Those few weeks can be a big deal with regard to hurricane season. Or....you know.....cursed.

Yes, it was mid-to late September.  I think they may have changed the swim course as well.  I believe that the area used for the practice swim this weekend was the actual swim course for Chesapeakman. 

Have seem some suggest that this is perhaps why it was a few weeks earlier in September. I'm definitely for avoiding the heat, but some weather conditions are just crazy trying to do a race in.

2016-10-03 5:31 PM
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Originally posted by juniperjen

Originally posted by melbo55

Speaking of autumn, I was struck by the difference in the leaves in the Finger Lakes region of NY where the leaves were starting to change, showing off quite a few oranges, yellows and reds, but a bit over 3 hours south in PA where I live, most all the trees are still green.  I've witnessed this slight difference in latitudes mainly in the spring when nothing is blooming in PA, but head 2 hours south to MD and all the spring flowers are in bloom.  Crazy!

I noticed this two years ago when we drove from here to Nova Scotia at this time of year. Through New Brunswick and Quebec they had noticeable leaf changes and then we got back to Ontario where it was all still green (I also noticed the change in the type of roadkill, but that is another topic)

Colours are just starting peek out here now. It's been a warm September for us - no risk of frost on the horizon ... weird. 

Seeing this over here in the midwest too. Different events are placing their "Fall Colors" at slightly different times to coincide with the peaks. Up in Wisconsin will be a bit earlier than southern IL.

2016-10-03 6:52 PM
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A rough day to keep the rough year going. Our Golden Retriever died today.


2016-10-04 7:08 AM
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Originally posted by JBacarella A rough day to keep the rough year going. Our Golden Retriever died today.

I am so so sorry to hear this. {{hugs}}

2016-10-04 7:14 AM
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Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by Atlantia
Originally posted by melbo55

Did anyone happen to see any of the pics of the conditions on the run at IMMD on Saturday?  BRUTAL.  They cancelled the swim because of rough conditions and storms, shortened the bike, and most of the run was held on flooded streets.  Pictures/videos I saw on FB of friends doing the race showed runners slogging through water anywhere from ankle to calf-deep, so walking, not running.  A few intrepid folks were trying to 'run' in some of the videos I saw but it couldn't have been easy nor fun.  Most stories coming out of the race are that it was the hardest thing people had done.  Personally I think the race is cursed! (only half joking)

This may just be me inventing things in my head, but I don't remember so many weather issues when this race was ChesapeakeMan. Although....perhaps it was in late September, and was moved to October when it became IMMD? Those few weeks can be a big deal with regard to hurricane season. Or....you know.....cursed.

Yes, it was mid-to late September.  I think they may have changed the swim course as well.  I believe that the area used for the practice swim this weekend was the actual swim course for Chesapeakman. 

Have seem some suggest that this is perhaps why it was a few weeks earlier in September. I'm definitely for avoiding the heat, but some weather conditions are just crazy trying to do a race in.

The other part of this is what is the backup plan?  If you are going to start 2000 athletes on their bikes, when do you have them line up, etc.?  If you have a practice swim area, is there room for any kind of shortened swim?  If your run course is 3' above sea level and there has been heavy ran/weather is pushing the tide high, do you have a place to reroute it?

Also, I have heard people say things about hurricane season that are technically true but don't reflect reality. While hurricane season technically starts June 1, the heart of hurricane season, at least for this area, isn't until September.  Late September has been especially active for us.  (Apparently early October could be quite active for me this year -- I'm looking at you Matthew!)

2016-10-04 7:23 AM
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IM Corp in general seems to be in denial (or ignorance) about weather. I've never figured out why Vietnam 70.3 is on what is very often the hottest day/week of the year. During the first week of May, anywhere in central or southern Vietnam, there are really only two possibilities: crazy hot and crazy humid (as in heat index well into the triple digits; in 2015 temps were 100-104 and humid), or rainy season hitting during the race with torrential downpours and violent thunderstorms. I could understand not wanting to mess with typhoon season here (that area tends to get hit hardest), but why the heck not in the winter??
2016-10-04 7:41 AM
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Originally posted by Hot Runner IM Corp in general seems to be in denial (or ignorance) about weather. I've never figured out why Vietnam 70.3 is on what is very often the hottest day/week of the year. During the first week of May, anywhere in central or southern Vietnam, there are really only two possibilities: crazy hot and crazy humid (as in heat index well into the triple digits; in 2015 temps were 100-104 and humid), or rainy season hitting during the race with torrential downpours and violent thunderstorms. I could understand not wanting to mess with typhoon season here (that area tends to get hit hardest), but why the heck not in the winter??

The mind boggles...

2016-10-04 7:59 AM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by JBacarella A rough day to keep the rough year going. Our Golden Retriever died today.

I am so so sorry to hear this. {{hugs}}

Oh no, I'm so sorry!



2016-10-04 8:01 AM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by Atlantia
Originally posted by melbo55

Did anyone happen to see any of the pics of the conditions on the run at IMMD on Saturday?  BRUTAL.  They cancelled the swim because of rough conditions and storms, shortened the bike, and most of the run was held on flooded streets.  Pictures/videos I saw on FB of friends doing the race showed runners slogging through water anywhere from ankle to calf-deep, so walking, not running.  A few intrepid folks were trying to 'run' in some of the videos I saw but it couldn't have been easy nor fun.  Most stories coming out of the race are that it was the hardest thing people had done.  Personally I think the race is cursed! (only half joking)

This may just be me inventing things in my head, but I don't remember so many weather issues when this race was ChesapeakeMan. Although....perhaps it was in late September, and was moved to October when it became IMMD? Those few weeks can be a big deal with regard to hurricane season. Or....you know.....cursed.

Yes, it was mid-to late September.  I think they may have changed the swim course as well.  I believe that the area used for the practice swim this weekend was the actual swim course for Chesapeakman. 

Have seem some suggest that this is perhaps why it was a few weeks earlier in September. I'm definitely for avoiding the heat, but some weather conditions are just crazy trying to do a race in.

The other part of this is what is the backup plan?  If you are going to start 2000 athletes on their bikes, when do you have them line up, etc.?  If you have a practice swim area, is there room for any kind of shortened swim?  If your run course is 3' above sea level and there has been heavy ran/weather is pushing the tide high, do you have a place to reroute it?

Also, I have heard people say things about hurricane season that are technically true but don't reflect reality. While hurricane season technically starts June 1, the heart of hurricane season, at least for this area, isn't until September.  Late September has been especially active for us.  (Apparently early October could be quite active for me this year -- I'm looking at you Matthew!)

yep, September and (early-mid) October are usually pretty active months.  I've often even had races effected in November.  Matthew needs to stop moving west!!  Hopefully, it will keep well off shore and just suck some of this humidity out of the air!



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2016-10-04 8:07 AM
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I just got back from the mountains yesterday and had limited internet, so I didn't get to wish all the racing Manatees good luck. So, good luck retroactively!  I've also haven't had a chance to go through all the posts, so if you've posted about your race and my retroactive good luck didn't work -sorry!!

I had a really nice HM in Cherokee,NC.  The weather was perfect for racing -45* at the start and not a cloud in the sky!! The scenery was beautiful and the course quite challenging for this flat-lander. But I had a blast !! 

2016-10-04 8:38 AM
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Originally posted by JBacarella

A rough day to keep the rough year going. Our Golden Retriever died today.


Oh no, I'm so sorry! Big hugs to you.
2016-10-04 8:43 AM
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Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by Atlantia
Originally posted by melbo55

Did anyone happen to see any of the pics of the conditions on the run at IMMD on Saturday?  BRUTAL.  They cancelled the swim because of rough conditions and storms, shortened the bike, and most of the run was held on flooded streets.  Pictures/videos I saw on FB of friends doing the race showed runners slogging through water anywhere from ankle to calf-deep, so walking, not running.  A few intrepid folks were trying to 'run' in some of the videos I saw but it couldn't have been easy nor fun.  Most stories coming out of the race are that it was the hardest thing people had done.  Personally I think the race is cursed! (only half joking)

This may just be me inventing things in my head, but I don't remember so many weather issues when this race was ChesapeakeMan. Although....perhaps it was in late September, and was moved to October when it became IMMD? Those few weeks can be a big deal with regard to hurricane season. Or....you know.....cursed.

Yes, it was mid-to late September.  I think they may have changed the swim course as well.  I believe that the area used for the practice swim this weekend was the actual swim course for Chesapeakman. 

Have seem some suggest that this is perhaps why it was a few weeks earlier in September. I'm definitely for avoiding the heat, but some weather conditions are just crazy trying to do a race in.

The other part of this is what is the backup plan?  If you are going to start 2000 athletes on their bikes, when do you have them line up, etc.?  If you have a practice swim area, is there room for any kind of shortened swim?  If your run course is 3' above sea level and there has been heavy ran/weather is pushing the tide high, do you have a place to reroute it?

Also, I have heard people say things about hurricane season that are technically true but don't reflect reality. While hurricane season technically starts June 1, the heart of hurricane season, at least for this area, isn't until September.  Late September has been especially active for us.  (Apparently early October could be quite active for me this year -- I'm looking at you Matthew!)

yep, September and (early-mid) October are usually pretty active months.  I've often even had races effected in November.  Matthew needs to stop moving west!!  Hopefully, it will keep well off shore and just suck some of this humidity out of the air!




Here's hoping!!

I can't even comprehend choosing an Mid Atlantic/Eastern Seaboard "A" race in September/October. The weather is just too darn unpredictable. I may wind up eating my words with a few seasons of racing under my belt, but at this point I'd rather sign up for what I KNOW will be a blistering hot July/August race rather than a Sept/Oct race that has equal chances of being flooded, freezing, or boiling hot.
I'm talking long course, big ticket races, here. Anything that I can sleep in my own bed for and sign up late in the game, no big deal.
2016-10-04 8:47 AM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by JBacarella A rough day to keep the rough year going. Our Golden Retriever died today.

I am so so sorry to hear this. {{hugs}}

Oh no, that is very rough. Very sorry to hear - sending hugs and thoughts your way. 



2016-10-04 8:49 AM
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Originally posted by JBacarella A rough day to keep the rough year going. Our Golden Retriever died today.

Oh, I'm so very, very sorry.  Enough is enough, already - I hope the series of sad events ends here.  (((hugs)))

2016-10-04 8:50 AM
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And this weekend is IMWC - who else will be live streaming??

(I know i will be) I LOVE watching it! Although i will never KQ - my DH and I went for our honeymoon to Hawaii in 2010 and spectated and it was awesome! :D 

Anyone have any favourites to win the men's/women's races? 

2016-10-04 8:53 AM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by JBacarella A rough day to keep the rough year going. Our Golden Retriever died today.

I am so so sorry to hear this. {{hugs}}

So sorry to hear that.

2016-10-04 9:08 AM
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Originally posted by Atlantia
Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by Atlantia
Originally posted by melbo55

Did anyone happen to see any of the pics of the conditions on the run at IMMD on Saturday?  BRUTAL.  They cancelled the swim because of rough conditions and storms, shortened the bike, and most of the run was held on flooded streets.  Pictures/videos I saw on FB of friends doing the race showed runners slogging through water anywhere from ankle to calf-deep, so walking, not running.  A few intrepid folks were trying to 'run' in some of the videos I saw but it couldn't have been easy nor fun.  Most stories coming out of the race are that it was the hardest thing people had done.  Personally I think the race is cursed! (only half joking)

This may just be me inventing things in my head, but I don't remember so many weather issues when this race was ChesapeakeMan. Although....perhaps it was in late September, and was moved to October when it became IMMD? Those few weeks can be a big deal with regard to hurricane season. Or....you know.....cursed.

Yes, it was mid-to late September.  I think they may have changed the swim course as well.  I believe that the area used for the practice swim this weekend was the actual swim course for Chesapeakman. 

Have seem some suggest that this is perhaps why it was a few weeks earlier in September. I'm definitely for avoiding the heat, but some weather conditions are just crazy trying to do a race in.

The other part of this is what is the backup plan?  If you are going to start 2000 athletes on their bikes, when do you have them line up, etc.?  If you have a practice swim area, is there room for any kind of shortened swim?  If your run course is 3' above sea level and there has been heavy ran/weather is pushing the tide high, do you have a place to reroute it?

Also, I have heard people say things about hurricane season that are technically true but don't reflect reality. While hurricane season technically starts June 1, the heart of hurricane season, at least for this area, isn't until September.  Late September has been especially active for us.  (Apparently early October could be quite active for me this year -- I'm looking at you Matthew!)

yep, September and (early-mid) October are usually pretty active months.  I've often even had races effected in November.  Matthew needs to stop moving west!!  Hopefully, it will keep well off shore and just suck some of this humidity out of the air!

Here's hoping!! I can't even comprehend choosing an Mid Atlantic/Eastern Seaboard "A" race in September/October. The weather is just too darn unpredictable. I may wind up eating my words with a few seasons of racing under my belt, but at this point I'd rather sign up for what I KNOW will be a blistering hot July/August race rather than a Sept/Oct race that has equal chances of being flooded, freezing, or boiling hot. I'm talking long course, big ticket races, here. Anything that I can sleep in my own bed for and sign up late in the game, no big deal.

Whereas I'm the other way around. Leary of signing up for events during hot times. I can handle the cooler weather a lot better. Heat, I'm miserable no matter what, but cooler I've usually been able to make adjustments to at least do ok even if I don't go quite as hard as I had planned. Rain isn't necessarily an issue either, though course flooding as was described seems to be something else.

As far as backup goes, I wonder how much they are able to do, and also what may be reasonable. It's a big investment, but not everything can be planned for.

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