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2009-07-07 12:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
I had to change a flat just a few days ago! I didn't have a spare tube, but I had a patch kit that worked great, just like applying a bandaid. You never know, depending on where you live, you might be 10 miles out on a sparcly traveled road with no cell service (my favorite kind of ride!) and get a flat. I can't imagine walking back into town in my bike shoes.

A set of tools to change a flat is absolutely essential in my opinion. Just practice a couple times when you are at home and you will be saying "This isn't hard to do at all!" 


2009-07-07 12:33 PM
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Oh yes - I don't bother with the patch kit. I used to carry it, but decided that if I am carrying a tube I might as well just use that.

A multitool is nice so that you have the necessary hex wrenches to raise/lower your seat and tighten the screws holding your bottle cages.  I've never done anything more than that, on the road.  You may not even need a multitool, a small wrench in one or two sizes may be enough.

2009-07-07 12:34 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2009-07-07 10:33 AM

Oh yes - I don't bother with the patch kit. I used to carry it, but decided that if I am carrying a tube I might as well just use that.

A multitool is nice so that you have the necessary hex wrenches to raise/lower your seat and tighten the screws holding your bottle cages.  I've never done anything more than that, on the road.  You may not even need a multitool, a small wrench in one or two sizes may be enough.

Well, if we're getting on to general tools for rides, I carry a multitool, a chain tool, and my flat kit.

2009-07-07 12:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?

Yes, I just changed my front after work yesterday.  It's much harder to see glass on the road in the rain.  



It's not that the glass is harder to SEE...it's that it sticks to your tire better when your tire is wet.  The longer it's stuck to your tire the more times it goes UNDER your tire and can be squished into the tire.  Also, rain tends to wash more junk into the road hence more things around to damage your tires.

2009-07-07 12:38 PM
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DaveyG - 2009-07-07 10:15 AMI probably get a flat every 2-3 rides, and sometimes I get two flats during one ride.  I suppose it has a lot to do with the vegetation around you as well as road conditions.

I carry no fewer than two tubes, sometimes three, and 3-4 CO2 cartridges.  Tire levers are certainly a must, and I've got a patch kit just in case.
Jezz! I had my first flat in a couple years the other day, I can't imagine that happening every couple rides! With flats that often, why not use a hand pump? Seems like those co2 cartridges could get pretty expensive after a while (let alone the amount of tubes you must have to buy).
2009-07-07 12:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
I also don't really bother with a patch kit.  Never in all my riding have I ever successfully gotten a patch to hold.  EVER.  I stopped wasting my time and money.  For what I spent on the patch kit I could have bought another tube.


2009-07-07 12:41 PM
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Call your local bike store. The kind patient mechanics at one here in town offer a regular class on changing a flat. It's not that hard to do, but it requires practice. Maybe your LBS will tutor you or offer a similar class. 

2009-07-07 12:42 PM
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Haven't flatted on my road bike in almost 2 years... until last Saturday the 4th of July. I always carry a spare tube, 2 CO2s, a patch kit and 2 levers. It happend on a 16 mile ride on mile 11. Pffffffft, fffffft, fffffft! Rear tire, my first ride with my new Wheelbuilder.com disc(s), 90-someodd degrees, 5 miles from home, no shade. However, no less than 4 people stopped asking if they could help. Got it fixed on my own and was on my way.

2009-07-07 12:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
Synon - 2009-07-07 10:38 AM
DaveyG - 2009-07-07 10:15 AMI probably get a flat every 2-3 rides, and sometimes I get two flats during one ride.  I suppose it has a lot to do with the vegetation around you as well as road conditions.

I carry no fewer than two tubes, sometimes three, and 3-4 CO2 cartridges.  Tire levers are certainly a must, and I've got a patch kit just in case.
Jezz! I had my first flat in a couple years the other day, I can't imagine that happening every couple rides! With flats that often, why not use a hand pump? Seems like those co2 cartridges could get pretty expensive after a while (let alone the amount of tubes you must have to buy).


I have a LOT of trouble with a hand pump and really like the convenience of CO2.

By the way, I believe Petaluma is the pothole capital of the world.  There's a web site, we have bumper stickers and we recently won some KFC contest to sponsor pothole repairs.  I think it's a great place to ride, but the roads suck.
2009-07-07 12:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
DaveyG - 2009-07-07 12:43 PM
Synon - 2009-07-07 10:38 AM
DaveyG - 2009-07-07 10:15 AMI probably get a flat every 2-3 rides, and sometimes I get two flats during one ride.  I suppose it has a lot to do with the vegetation around you as well as road conditions.

I carry no fewer than two tubes, sometimes three, and 3-4 CO2 cartridges.  Tire levers are certainly a must, and I've got a patch kit just in case.
Jezz! I had my first flat in a couple years the other day, I can't imagine that happening every couple rides! With flats that often, why not use a hand pump? Seems like those co2 cartridges could get pretty expensive after a while (let alone the amount of tubes you must have to buy).


I have a LOT of trouble with a hand pump and really like the convenience of CO2.

By the way, I believe Petaluma is the pothole capital of the world.  There's a web site, we have bumper stickers and we recently won some KFC contest to sponsor pothole repairs.  I think it's a great place to ride, but the roads suck.


Potholes should not cause flats if your tires are properly inflated.

The hand pumps are great for an emergency or a leaky tire...but unless you are superman you really can't get the tire inflated PROPERLY with a hand pump.  It will probably be underinflated which is definitely not good to ride on for long distances.  CO2 does a better job of getting the tire properly inflated.
2009-07-07 12:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
Park makes a glueless patch kit.  I have a couple of those and find that they work really well when I flat more than once.  The packaging is extremely small and easy to store.


2009-07-07 12:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
After some experience with very tiny wire bits flatting my tires I have a couple of the GFs cotton balls in a ziploc for checking the inside of the tire. Beats sticking wire under your fingernail.
2009-07-07 12:50 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
I like the CO2 inflator that has a lever that your press.  I just carry the head not the body and use threaded cartridges.  It is rather idiot proof unlike the smaller head only unit with out the lever that screwing in the cartridge makes it go.

I broke a tire lever on my zipps so now I have the unbreakable levers and carry only 2.

I carry 2 tubes but usually plan on heading home after the first flat as my luck will be a second (if not third)
2009-07-07 12:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
nerak11 - 2009-07-07 12:18 PM

Does everyone around here know how to change a flat? 

I know I would not be able to change one. 



Asked and answered in the OP.
2009-07-07 12:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?

Yes, I can and have.  It is a nuisance when it happens, but you need to be prepared for the "unexpected".

2009-07-07 12:54 PM
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I'm new, but learned out of necessity.  After flatting on four straight rides, I'm getting pretty good at it.  FYI - After the third flat I went to the bike shop to make sure I was doing things correctly and get the wheel & tire looked at closer.  Still flatted after their change as well.  Not sure what's going on. 

If you plan to use CO2 and haven't before, it is good advice to have at least two cartridges.  Pretty easy to mess up with those....for me anyway.


2009-07-07 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
Potholes should not cause flats if your tires are properly inflated.


Sure they do. Hit railroad tracks or a pothole at the right speed and regardless of your psi, your tire will flat. I carry 140 psi in my tires and I always slow down at railroad tracks and aviod potholes like the plague.

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2009-07-07 1:00 PM
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I learned how to change a tire very early on in my riding. In fact, my friends and I had a race to see who could change the fastest and I came in under 2 minutes.  I recommend sitting with your bike and changing the tire a few times to practice once or twice a season, especially the back tire.  You'll feel soo much more self sufficient!

2009-07-07 1:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
In a non race situation I always carry a frame pump, patch kit, tube x 2, multi-tool.

It only takes one time on a 60 mile ride out in the middle of nowhere to be 30 miles out with one spare and only 2 Co2 cannisters to learn that sometimes $hit happens and no matter how good you are putting on a new tube you can have a problem and be tubeless or airless...

 Frame pump + patch kit + 2 tubes should be able to get you through pretty much anything tube related.

Race day I ditch the patch kit, frame pump and 2nd tube.
2009-07-07 1:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
Not all tires/rims are created equal, btw:  On my first roadie, a K2 with 700x25's, it was almost impossible to get the tire off the rim...even a mechanic I took it to struggled big time.  I even broke a metal-core "unbreakable" tire lever.  My two bikes since then have been easier, but that first one was always a nightmare when I flatted.

I do use my mini patch kit from time-to-time and have had success patching tubes on the road.  If it's obviously a goathead puncture, for instance, it saves me having to remove the whole tire and tube.  The main reason I carry a patch kit, though, is so I don't have to waste space on a 2nd tube and have some insurance in the event of a 2nd flat (has happened to me once).

I have a really good mini hand pump that fits in a saddle bag, but lately I've taken more to using CO2.
2009-07-07 1:32 PM
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Changing a flat is great fun. I was worried about it once so I took once of my old tubes that I use as spares for random things and sat in the living room with a good movie on and proceeded to practice every step from taking the tire off the rim, pulling the tube out, putting the tube back in, and putting the tire back on the rim, pumping the tire up and putting back on the bike. Rinse and repeat. I used an old but still good tube so that if I accidentally pinched it when putting the tires on I would not care. The only tool I needed/had was a tire lever (though I dont always need one now) and a pump. I got down to being able to change the flat in about four minutes in my living room. When I am outside/in the weather riding it usually takes between 6 and 10 depending on how much cursing I have to do at it   

I also took that old tube and one of my patch kits and put a little hole in the tube, patched it so it did not leak, and repeated until I was confident I could successfully patch a tube in the middle of a ride. needless to say I threw away the tube when I finished.

Good Luck!


2009-07-07 2:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
On my bike, yes. On my car, no. In fact, I don't even have a spare. It was installed underneath the car and fell off and I never got a replacement since it was like $900 to fix whatever held it under there.
2009-07-07 2:34 PM
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I think that this is one of the most important things to learn, especially from a saftey point of view. You need to be able to get yourself out of wherever you got yourself into. Learn and practice.

I carry a frame pump and CO2 for inflating. I have 1 tube and a Park patch kit along with a Park Tire Boot. These way almost nothing and easily fit in my bag. I have a set of 3 tire levers that came in a little holder, so just carry them all. I also have a multi-tool in the bag. The frame pump and patch kits are for the just in case scenarios: double flatting, multiple flats, etc. I can easily be 25+ miles from anywhere and have zero cell service. The added weight is so little that it is not a concern.

Practice as much as possible. I would say practice with the back tire as well. Nothing like flatting in the cold and rain and dark to ruin a ride. The only thing worse would be clip-clop walking home in the cold and rain and dark or in the 100+ degree sun and running out of water.

2009-07-07 3:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
Yes, pretty quickly, and usually without tools.  I've had lots of practice (usually the go-to guy when on a ride with the group).  When there's no pressure, I try to use it as a teaching experience, and let the owner handle it.  If it's high-stakes (only one inflator, need to get the show on the road), I'll usually handle it.  It's actually quite fun to do it right!

Haven't had to do it in a race yet, but maybe I'll get the chance one day.  I ALWAYS carry my spare tube/inflator/tools.
2009-07-07 3:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Can you change a flat?
Obviously since we're on page 3, there's been a lot of advice - but no one mentioned the tool I carry.  It's a small pump that also has a built in CO2 inflator.  If I have a problem with the CO2 cartridge, I can always pump manually. It's small enough to slide under the seat between the rails, and I haven't had any problems with it getting knocked out of place in a year of use.
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