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2005-08-26 7:57 AM |
Veteran 111 Ridgefield, CT | Subject: WSJ Triathlon Article Hopefully this link works: http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThi... Interesting article in today's Wall Street Journal. Bascially discusses the recent growth in triathlons and attributes it to shorter, easier races (their words, not mine). IMHO, bring it on. I don't care if you only swim 20 ft, bike 1/4 mile and run 100 yards it beats the hell out of sitting on the couch. |
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2005-08-26 8:22 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article The link to the article works. I found it interesting, although this line kind of annoyed me: The mighty triathlon, that macho emblem of athletic sadomasochism, is going soft. It's going soft because there are more shorter races for people to compete in? How else would you build up to being able to do longer races? Isn't it a good thing to have people get more experience? I agree, Sedward: if you can only do a short distance, who cares? You're still better off than the people who do nothing. |
2005-08-26 8:27 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Champion 6931 Bellingham, Washington | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article The fastest growing forms of triathlon are those where the requirements are a bit lax: There are triathlons for kids, relay triathlons completed by teams of two or three, "Clydesdale" divisions for men who weigh more than 200 pounds, and events that allow contestants to run less than two miles or swim with the aid of a Styrofoam noodle. People still have to run,swim,bike. Doesn't matter if they are a Clydesdale or not. What does a Bit Lax mean? I bet the author of the article is a disgruntled golfer/bridge player. |
2005-08-26 8:34 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Queen BTich 12411 , | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article Ok, were they kidding about the Noodle comment? Seriously? Are there races that do this? If they do, I have to agree with that part of the article. You can get upset, but I don't necessarily like relays either for shorter races unless there is a reason (recovery, not ready for long distance, etc). |
2005-08-26 8:37 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article Ms. Rossman contacted me earlier this summer, wanting to interview me for an article she was writing on sprint triathlons. We swapped voice mails but never hooked up. I'm assuming she got my contact info off of this website, and that this is the article. She does focus on the money aspect, doesn't she? I guess it IS the WSJ. |
2005-08-26 8:37 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Elite 2915 New City, New York | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article Growing popularity indeed. At my sprint in July I met a guy I used to work w/. He said after 20 years on wall street he's packing it in to open up a Tri shop in NJ. Got me to thinking... Edited by rollinbones 2005-08-26 8:38 AM |
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2005-08-26 8:42 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article I might use this article to sucker all the friends I am trying to get into the sport into doing em. Piece of cake, c'mon, anybody can do it!! Seriously, if it gets folks out there training and tri-ing, so be it. I can still remember getting back to the 'real world' on Monday morning of overweight, unfit folks after seeing tons of health conscious folks in my first tri. Yeah, a lot of us are still overweight, but at least folks are trying to do something about it and live healthy. Edited by jszat 2005-08-26 8:50 AM |
2005-08-26 8:43 AM in reply to: #234433 |
Extreme Veteran 499 Racine WI | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article TriComet - 2005-08-26 8:34 AM Ok, were they kidding about the Noodle comment? Seriously? Are there races that do this? If they do, I have to agree with that part of the article. You can get upset, but I don't necessarily like relays either for shorter races unless there is a reason (recovery, not ready for long distance, etc). If I am not mistaken, I heard that some of the Danskin events permit water flotation devices (noodles) for safety reasons....... |
2005-08-26 8:55 AM in reply to: #234433 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article TriComet - 2005-08-26 7:34 AM You can get upset, but I don't necessarily like relays either for shorter races unless there is a reason (recovery, not ready for long distance, etc). My last tri was a mini-sprint, 200yd/8mi/2mi, very beginner friendly, tons of kids. Just can't understand why they needed the relay option in something so short. Actually, I have trouble with the relay concept altogether. If you want to run, there are running events. Ditto swim and bike. If you want to tri, do all three. Still, they don't particularly bother me, so live and let live. BTW, I beat all of the relay teams in this mini. |
2005-08-26 9:00 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article Did you see the demographic of Triathlete magazine - average household income of $155,000? Boy am I weighing that Bell curve down ... |
2005-08-26 9:09 AM in reply to: #234466 |
Queen BTich 12411 , | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article the bear - 2005-08-26 9:55 AM TriComet - 2005-08-26 7:34 AM You can get upset, but I don't necessarily like relays either for shorter races unless there is a reason (recovery, not ready for long distance, etc). My last tri was a mini-sprint, 200yd/8mi/2mi, very beginner friendly, tons of kids. Just can't understand why they needed the relay option in something so short. Actually, I have trouble with the relay concept altogether. If you want to run, there are running events. Ditto swim and bike. If you want to tri, do all three. Still, they don't particularly bother me, so live and let live. BTW, I beat all of the relay teams in this mini. Thanks bear, at least you knew what I was trying to say. I had some friends do the realy for our local half-iron. They would have done the whole, but had just bought bikes and were not ready. I did not have a problem with this, they would have done a whole Olympic, but that wasn't the option. IMHO, I think its great for beginners to feel comfortable at sprint or mini sprint. However, if flotation devices are permitted for "safety reaons" I dont think its very safe for them to participate in the first place-and the orgainzers have to worry about people who cant swim. Take some lessons, practice, then participate. |
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2005-08-26 10:47 AM in reply to: #234433 |
Elite 3020 Bay Area, CA | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article ok, were they kidding about the Noodle comment? Seriously? Are there races that do this? If they do, I have to agree with that part of the article. I believe Danskin does. IMO, although I'm slow, I'm a serious enough racer that thinking of looking out there and seeing a bunch of people floating along with noodles, just kinda creeps me out. More power to them, but I just wouldn't do a race where they allowed something like that. However, I feel pretty much the same way about a pool swim. If I'm not jumping into some body of water with about a million other people, it just wouldn't feel right. I also believe that some of the kid specific triathlons allow noodles. However, this one makes more sense to me - as kids, hopefully at least, are in it just for the fun of it. |
2005-08-26 10:53 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Elite 3020 Bay Area, CA | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article You know, I just don't get why this is such a big deal. Running - you have kids "fun runs", 5k, 10k, half-mary, mary, ultra-mary - and infinite variations, and people do whatever they want to. It doesn't reduce the respect for the marathon runner that someone else did a 5k. So, what's the big deal with different distances/formats in triathlon? |
2005-08-26 11:27 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Veteran 280 Salem, MA | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article The Danskin doesn't allow racers to swim with noodles. They do have a program called "Swim Angels", where volunteers with noodles are spaced around the course. If anyone panics or has trouble, they can grab a noodle and stay near an angel, but they aren't allowed to make forward progress with the noodle -- just rest. I saw a very few of the 1700 racers in my Danskin making use of the Angel program - it seems to be more of a backup safety measure, and is probably a wise idea in a race where about half the participants are first-timers. I, for one, think sprints are great. Knowing this distance existed is a perfect goal for a beginner who's out of shape, and it's still a good distance for even experienced athletes to work on speed, transitions, etc. I have to laugh at anyone who considers even a short triathlon "soft". When I was training up for my first race, people would be impressed at the word "triathlon" and then ask about the distances. When I said "half-mile swim, 12-mile bike, 5K run", many people would dismissively say "oh! yeah, that's no problem." However, I don't think any one of these people could have raced with me on race day. It's one thing to say "that sounds easy," and quite another to put in the hundreds and hundreds of training hours that make you able to show a decent performance over any race distance. The race is great, but after all, don't we get a lot more out of the ongoing training and conditioning than out of race day itself? Edited by Miko 2005-08-26 11:28 AM |
2005-08-26 11:30 AM in reply to: #234654 |
Queen BTich 12411 , | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article Miko - 2005-08-26 12:27 PM The Danskin doesn't allow racers to swim with noodles. They do have a program called "Swim Angels", where volunteers with noodles are spaced around the course. If anyone panics or has trouble, they can grab a noodle and stay near an angel, but they aren't allowed to make forward progress with the noodle -- just rest. I saw a very few of the 1700 racers in my Danskin making use of the Angel program - it seems to be more of a backup safety measure, and is probably a wise idea in a race where about half the participants are first-timers. Oh, ok. That is different. I was under the impression, it was "hey, come do our race even if you can't swim. You can use a noodle! and then call yourself a triathlete!" |
2005-08-26 11:31 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Veteran 280 Salem, MA | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article On second reading -- the guy at the beginning of the article who says he wnts to "change the image of the triathlete" is not doing us any favors. It's fine to race relay, but hey, if you're only doing one leg you don't get to call yourself a triathlete! |
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2005-08-26 11:37 AM in reply to: #234618 |
Veteran 291 Seattle, WA | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article I am a regular WSJ reader and found the article somewhat amusing and very typical WSJ Weekend section coverage (focused on the trend, market segment, and some of the high-end things people buy). I think it's great visibility for the sport...I'm all for anything that gets people out and exercising. What they might have added though is the typical training involved for a Sprint distance--and the challenges of gaining skills sports where you might not have any previous experience. |
2005-08-26 11:52 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Regular 96 Woodbury | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article The money deal...I was blown away by what some people can spend, and what the WSJ suggests is relatively normal. The one guy must have spent over $15k "in preparation for his first sprint"! For the sake of comparison, let's see how this redneck did it. For starters, I too am dragging down the reported average salary. I started this year with no serious endurance training in a decade and a bike that hung in the garage about that long, so basically from scratch. Let's itemize and find out exactly what I blew this year to get started: 1) Bike: mid-80's Super Le Tour $0 (already had) 2) Friend tuned it up and added his old aero bars: $40 3) Entry fees to two races: $103 4) Tri shorts: $36 (closeout at Trisports) 5) Goggles: $7 (Trisports) 6) Pool fees: roughly $50 7) Bike computer: $22 8) Seatpost water bottle holder: $25 (eBay) 9) Tri top: $20 (eBay) 10) New tube and tires: $30 (got a flat and figured rubber was old anyway) 11) New helmet: $30 (LBS, great sale) 12) New rear wheel and sprocket: $86 (don't ask, but I'm blaming it on age of bike) 13) Speed Laces: $8 14) 5 Powergel packs: $5 Wow, $462. More than I thought, but not anything that'll make headlines. And some of it was a result of personal circumstance - my neighbor raced on his MTB with slicks he already owned, and I'm sure he stayed under $150 total. I bet we both smoke this hedge fund CEO. But for the record, I'm against noodle-assisted swimming events. Otherwise, it's all good. |
2005-08-26 11:52 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Master 1989 New Jersey | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article I dunno - something about this article bothers me. Yeah it's good to get people out there. No problems with that. And I don't have problems with having shorter races. (although I don't think races that include canoing, and noodles should be called "triathlons"). I think it's the whole idea of rich people "buying" their way into becoming "triathletes". What happened to good old fashioned hard work. That Wes guy with a $10000 bike and all the toys and support he could buy - where's he going to be a year from now? He'll probably have done a triathlon - maybe his support staff even got him through an Ironman - but he'll be sitting in his office, with all his triathlon toys gathering dust in a closet. Meanwhile, his new fad will be climbing Mt Everest. Just give me a real triathlete - one who survives on their own. I don't care if they finish first or DFL - or ride a 12 year old Schwinn, or can barely swim across a pool. But they do it, and come back to do it again. Most of all, they do it for themselves, not so they can brag to their friends and associates. To me that's a true triathlete. (Wow, where did this bitterness is come from???) |
2005-08-26 11:55 AM in reply to: #234380 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article I'd sum up the tone of the writer as "snarky". She's got a chip on her shoulder about something having to do with triathlon, or athletics in general. Maybe I did something to offend her at Cayuga Lake this year. |
2005-08-26 12:47 PM in reply to: #234380 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article I think this exposure is good for our sport and it only means that regarding of the format (distance) we are gaining "lots" of attention out there! Who cares if someone spend $15,000.00 on equipment and training or only $500.00 We all have different goals, purchasing power and personal preferences (like in any other activity in life) Who cares if someone call him/herself an ironman, triathlete or even superman. At the end the day, the only thing that matters is the growth of our sport, having more and better races as well as having more people living healthier lives. |
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2005-08-26 12:50 PM in reply to: #234684 |
Lethbridge, Alberta | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article marmadaddy - 2005-08-26 9:55 AM I'd sum up the tone of the writer as "snarky". She's got a chip on her shoulder about something having to do with triathlon, or athletics in general. Maybe I did something to offend her at Cayuga Lake this year. The author is writing to her audience. Some of those wall street folks may get out and tri, but most wont and they want their own shoulder chips to remain squarely in place. This article gives them what they want to hear. |
2005-08-26 12:59 PM in reply to: #234734 |
Veteran 280 Salem, MA | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article amiine - 2005-08-26 12:47 PM At the end the day, the only thing that matters is the growth of our sport, having more and better races as well as having more people living healthier lives. Great point! More races, more fun for everyone. |
2005-08-26 1:03 PM in reply to: #234380 |
Master 2136 A Prairie Home | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article The cynicism is typical WSJ writing style. I was a little upset when I first saw the article myself. Then someone pointed out there is a massive clearance sale at REI. I am better now. |
2005-08-26 1:06 PM in reply to: #234662 |
Master 1210 Saskatchewan | Subject: RE: WSJ Triathlon Article Miko - 2005-08-26 12:31 PM On second reading -- the guy at the beginning of the article who says he wnts to "change the image of the triathlete" is not doing us any favors. It's fine to race relay, but hey, if you're only doing one leg you don't get to call yourself a triathlete! That's what made me guffaw. Not everyone runner runs marathons. Not every triathlete does Ironmans. Unless, of course, you are talking to someone who "ran a 5k marathon once". |
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