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2005-06-27 10:27 AM

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Subject: Ticked Off and Need Some Perspective

This is a moderately childish topic, but it is still driving me crazy.  I have my second sprint tri ever this coming weekend in Dallas.  For those who don't know my story, this year has been the beginning of my "athletic life" after 35 years of being sedentary.  I've lost 82 pounds since January 22nd, thanks to tri training and to this site and all of you here.  I'm still a Clyde, but easily in the best shape of my life.  Given my history, just finishing these events is a good accomplishment for me.  However, I do have a very competetive side, which brings me to my current issue...

My parents and extended family all live in the Dallas area, and this tri is a "major event" to them because of what I have accomplished this year...not to mention it is the 4th of July weekend, we will be having a big get together, etc.  Everyone is planning on coming to cheer me on, knowing that I am a BOPer but proud none the less. 

Well, about 3 weeks ago, my brother in law calls me and says "Wow...you're doing a triathlon??  That sounds fun...I think I'll sign up."  He is moderately athletic, but not a super athlete or anything.  Until 2 weeks ago, he didn't even own a bike.  He registered less than 3 weeks ago, and decided he better start training.

Well, guess what??  He went and bought a Trek road bike, started riding TWO WEEKS AGO, and last night we were emailing training updates to each other, and he lets me know that he is riding 12-15 miles at a 21-24 mph average pace, after only two weeks on a road bike.  The guy doesn't even have clipless pedals.  I've been riding since February, and am at about a 17mph pace over the same distance.  He then tells me that he is running 10 minute miles, after hopping off the bike.  I run 12-13 minute miles...12 on fresh legs, but slower during a brick.

The bottom line....someone who has trained for 3 freaking weeks is going to smoke me....completely...in front of our entire family, all of whom know that I have been training for months.  Being that he is family, I certainly hope he gets pulled out of the water by a rescue kayak does well, but needless to say, I'm not looking forward to this weekend anymore.

Will someone (cue Tania) please give me an appropriate butt-kicking and put this into perspective?  Because it is really pissing me off right now.



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2005-06-27 10:31 AM
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Well, he may be BSing you but again he may not be. Another thing to consider is that there is a major difference between training and racing... you just don't know until you get going. Use it as extra motivation.
2005-06-27 10:39 AM
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This is your journey, your place of fun. You have done an awesome job and have much much much to be proud of. Your family, no doubt, is very proud of you too. Losing 82 pounds in 6 months is astounding and reflective of your discipline and hard work.

If your BIL has a howdy-doody time too, well we don't want to begrudge him his tri-fun. If he wants to jump right into the deep-end of the pool, well, it's a starting place for some. Let's hope he doesn't panic in open water.

I guarantee you that your family will be most impressed with your accomplishments.

2005-06-27 10:40 AM
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Ok, let's review.  What's your goal for this race? (afterall, this is YOUR race, regardless of anyone else who is participating). Take your goal, and focus on it, not on the other people there.  Everyone probably recognizes that your bro-in-law is a more natural athlete.  I, personally, am still much more impressed with your story:  82 lbs since January?  AMAZING. Competing in your second tri? CONGRATULATIONS. Loving an active life and don't miss the old one? WONDERFUL. I imagine that your family is just as impressed with your new life and committement you are showing to a healthy lifestyle.  It's great they are excited about supporting you and will all be able to see you in action!   

Good luck on your race, triathlete!

Sarah

2005-06-27 10:40 AM
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Yeah.. I'm kinda in the same boat..

I was the first of my group of friends around here to get into Tris.. now i have about 2 or 3 good friends who are considering it.. (one who lurks around here). He called me yesterday telling me that he just finished a 60 min run and decided to keep on going after that for another 30 min?? WTF? thats some crazy crap! and he's a smoker..

anyway.. It might be a little childish, i'll agree.. but at the same time your brother-in-law has taken some of your thunder and thats never fun...

Just remember this though.. it was YOU who had the balls to start this.. it was YOU who did it with little or no knowledge of what it was gonna take.. and it is YOU who has made a significant LIFE CHANGE because of it.

The only reason he's doing it is because YOU are doing it.

Go ahead and let him win... YOU DA MAN!!!

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2005-06-27 10:43 AM
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I can only offer words of encouragement, suffering from a similar affliction to such a degree that I can't even train with anyone without getting too competetive and, since I'm slow, that makes me mad and ruins the whole thing for me. Stupid, yes. But there you go.

Your journey has been longer and much more difficult than his, and I daresay much more rewarding. Keep that in mind as you're busy plotting his demise. Is it possible that he's just psyching you out?

I will say that if you don't focus on your own game, you will regret it. I don't know what to tell you other than to force yourself to ignore his presence in the race; if you let it get to you, you will probably not do as well as you can. That brain capacity needs to worry about your swim, bike and run, and not where he is on the course. Your family is coming out to cheer you on. Competitiveness is a very good thing, in a race it lets you target someone and say "I'm gonna pass you." And certainly if you see him in this race, target him and try to pass him. But start now telling yourself that you will NOT worry if you don't see him to pass him, you will NOT be concerned about his finishing time, you will race this for you and you alone.

And then throw darts at his photograph.


2005-06-27 10:44 AM
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You're trained to transition from the swim to bike to run. Does he even know what a brick is?? Think of how heavy his legs are going to be when he starts running after he tries to JAM his way through the bike. You can still KICK HIS A$$ !!!!

2005-06-27 10:44 AM
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Perspective, schmerspective. It'd piss me off, too. Mess with his brakes so that they stay on the entire ride. That'll slow him down!
2005-06-27 10:46 AM
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Swim-Bike-Run your own race.  You set your standard, and then you go out and beat it. Don't worry about what other people can do.   Like others said, He might be full of it.  When it comes to crunch time, he might wilt.

I was 13 out  of 14 in my age group this weekend.  Big deal.  I was totally happy with my race, (but not my T1 & T2)  I achieved MY GOALS.   You achieve your's.

Wait till he feels the worms in his calves when he goes from bike to run.<img align='middle' src='https://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/images/emoticons/wink.gif'>



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2005-06-27 10:47 AM
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Thanks guys and gals...I need to chill, but it just irritated me and I needed to vent.  One funny anecdote...being gracious, I let him know that I would be happy to help him if he had any questions about setting up his transition area, etc.  He asked me "What is the transition area??"  I explained it to him and he said "Oh, ok cool!!  I'm gonna have my wife holding some extra water bottles for me on the course."  I politely expalined that this was a no no and would probably lead to DQ.  So, I guess anything is possible this weekend.

I will be nice, help in any way I can, and run MY race.  Plus, at least for now, this is a "flash in the pan" for him.  I have four more races this season to prepare for, so I can't let this issue consume me.

2005-06-27 10:51 AM
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I recently was able to convince one of my friends from work to do the Reebok Women's Sprint triathlon with me... When she started "training" she couldn't swim more than a lap or two in the pool, didn't own or have access to a road bike, and ran about 10 minute miles... She'd just had a baby, and was a bit out of shape, but she wanted the challenge of completing a triathlon.

Fast forward to race day... I've been training in earnest since FEBRUARY... with 2 tri seasons under my belt... she trained SPORADICALLY starting mid-May... borrowed a bike from a guy she was dating, and ran on the treadmill @ the gym, when she had time.

In the end... it turns out I beat her by less than a minute. And this was with a PR setting blazing fast bike ride on my part.

I try to think about it this way... Each of us has our strengths and weaknesses... I've never been much of an athlete... I was a cheerleader... and I swam for a bit in middle school, but that's pretty much the extent of it... My friend Kathy, on the other hand... is a natural athlete... she's tough, competitive, and strong! She's got great upper body strength, and she's a fast runner. It has taken me 2 triathlon seasons and 4 months of training this year to even REACH the point she STARTS at...

But that's OK. That's what makes this fun. That's what makes the world go round, actually. What fun would it be if we were all good at all the same stuff? Who would we learn from? Who would we teach? We'd be a one dimensional society... and we'd be boring boring boring.

Think of all you've accomplished just TO GET to the point you're at. When I started, I couldn't even run once around the track at the gym. (.12 miles!). It's the journey.... not the destination. I promise.

Now go get 'em!!!!

Whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



2005-06-27 10:51 AM
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First off congratulations on your recent accomplishments!

How is you BIL in swimming? Maybe you'll totally kick his butt in the water and won't have to worry about it? He's going into the race probably with the 'I'll finish attitude' and you are going into the race with the 'I need to beat him' attitude so you will have more motivation!

Try not to think about him during the race, run your own race and enjoy your day. And remeber your family is out there to cheer YOU on!

Good luck, have fun and kick your brother-in-laws butt!!!

P.S. Practice your transitions! If you can get your transition times down to only a few minutes (total) you might be able to gain some time on him!
2005-06-27 10:52 AM
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Sounds to me like your family already knows what an accomplishment it is for you, is already proud of your goals to date, and can't wait to see you do this since they were already planning on being there. I think that will still overshadow the fact that your BIL did it on few weeks training, and possibly with a better time. The grandeur of the accomplishment isn't as great for him and I think they know that. Besides, he's an in-law so he's already second in the pecking order!

Of course, there's always the possibility that he somehow just happened to get a flat before his bike ever left the rack?!

Good luck in your tri this weekend! And 82 pounds - way to go!

2005-06-27 10:56 AM
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Brandt that's not so childish.  I had a similar issue last year.  Here's some perspective for you though:

  1. Your BIL is full of sh!t.  There's NO way he's holding 24mph without clipless pedals.  He's either blowing smoke, riding downhill and flats with no uphill work, or he's just guessing at his speed.
  2. He's not running 10 m/m yet (see first part of item#1).  He has run 10 minutes after getting off the bike, going to the bathroom, checking his email, etc.  He *might* have gone a total of a mile, but he's rounded his time down.
  3. He thinks a brick is something on the outside of a building.
  4. He knows nothing of transitions.  He'll spend 4 minutes in T1 putting socks on wet feet and tying his shoelaces (double-knots) before he even touches his bike.  He'll spend 3 minutes in T2 just bopping around trying to FIND his TA, and another 3 before he leaves.
  5. He *might* have some gatorade while on the bike, but he'll be dying during the run from lack of carbs.
  6. He'll be trying to swim in baggies, and he'll have to deal with 'bunching' on the bike.

Honestly, as guys, we tend to exaggerate a little at times.  You'll smoke this cat...

2005-06-27 11:02 AM
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Look at it this way...

  1. You've already made some incredible accomplishments.
  2. You've personally inspired another to engage in this awesome sport.
  3. You have someone in the family who understands and appreciates your obsession.
  4. Yeah, you're slower, but so what?  You're a leader, you broke new ground, he's a coat tail rider and owes his introduction to this sport to you.

Keep your perspective on the good things.  This is an incredible sport.  If I'm ever experiencing negative thoughts like envy or anger, its typically requires a self assessment where I determine something is actually wrong with my outlook.  This sport is about me versus my very own weaknesses and so long as I keep that perspective, all is well.

2005-06-27 11:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Ticked Off and Need Some Perspective
Brandt,
If there is one thing that I learned early on, it's no matter how fast you are or think you are, there is always going to be someone faster. Don't sweat it. He might go out and blow you away, who cares. You do your thing and have a blast at it. Next year when he is drying his clothes on his barely used bike, you will riding the hell out of yours getting ready for your IM. Set your goals and achieve them
Tom


2005-06-27 11:05 AM
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I know EXACTLY what you mean.  Some people are just more natural athletes than others.  And, it really bites when you have worked your BUTT off only to see somebody who just jumped on a bike yesterday smoke you. 

First of all, race day is a whole different ballgame than training.  Those transitions from one sport to another can be killer.  He's never done a tri before, so just moving from one event to the other could be difficult for him.  Whether he finishes in front of you or behind you, he will have a lot more respect for what it takes once he's done a tri.  Just remember to run your own race, and give it your best shot.  You may surprise yourself!

And you could always:

Tell him to start in the front and center of his swim wave.

Take a pin and sneakily poke a hole in his tire.

Hide his socks.

Tell him it's a good idea to start out in a big gear on the bike.

Just kidding, but just thinking about all the ways you could mess him up should give you a laugh anyway.

Last but not least, train your butt off and challenge him (3 weeks before the race) to an Oly distance.  That is a whole different animal, I'll tell you that much.

2005-06-27 11:07 AM
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Everyone has already given great responses, but here's mine:

Triathlon is an individual sport, so don't worry about him. You've already accomplished an insane amount in a short time and that is something to be VERY proud of. To be frank, you're probably just now to the point where you're barely making up for several years of poor choices when it comes to health and fitness (and I'm not being mean or ugly, just basing that on your fantastic feat of losing 82 pounds already). So here comes your BIL who's in moderate shape. That means he's a got a HUGE lead on where you started from. If someone in decent shape can handle the swim, a sprint isn't really that far. Someone like that could pretty easily ride the 12 miles and run/walk the 3 and finish. Note that I say "finish" not "race". I think there's a big difference.

It's just a fact that you had a lot more ground to cover to get to the starting line then your BIL did. The real question is where do you go from here? Do you continue the journey and surpass him or catch up to where he is and then coast?

Finally, for what it's worth, I think he might be snowing you a bit. I find it very difficult to believe that some who is "moderately athletic" could go out and buy a brand new bike and then average 21-24 mph. That's moving. His self-proclaimed run times are what make it harder to believe. I have to believe that he'd be able to manage better than 10 minute miles if he's in good enough aerobic shape to manage that bike pace. If he's got a bike computer on his shiny new Trek, I'd bet that it's calibrated wrong.
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2005-06-27 11:16 AM
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It's very nice of you to be gracious and fill this knucklehead in on preparing for his race - but STOP!  There is much to be said for letting him learn by doing. :D

Something tells me he's going to DNF or be completely wiped out at the finish while you will be coming in strong.

Enjoy your race!



2005-06-27 11:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Ticked Off and Need Some Perspective
First of all losing 82 pounds since January is more impressive than any thing he may or may not have done thus far...Also I totally understand.  Also he may spend a great deal of time in the h2o  and then ya got him   that combined with the transitions...Outline your goals for each event and meet them...I'm with Kimj on this one.  swim over him, fly by on the transitions and for gods sake don't lend him your tri clothes.  Good luck -SMO
2005-06-27 11:20 AM
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Finally, for what it's worth, I think he might be snowing you a bit. I find it very difficult to believe that some who is "moderately athletic" could go out and buy a brand new bike and then average 21-24 mph. That's moving. His self-proclaimed run times are what make it harder to believe. I have to believe that he'd be able to manage better than 10 minute miles if he's in good enough aerobic shape to manage that bike pace. If he's got a bike computer on his shiny new Trek, I'd bet that it's calibrated wrong.

Exactly!  There is no way he's riding this fast and I highly doubt he's running this fast.  And I'll guarantee you he's not going to ride or run those paces in a race.  Either his computer is wrong or he's totally BS'ing you.

2005-06-27 11:22 AM
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Bring an ice pick and take out his tires in transition area when he goes to swim area.
2005-06-27 11:31 AM
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It sounds to me like someone's a little jealous of your accomplishments and wants some attention too. If he needs it, let him have it. You're probably not going to race any slower or faster if he's there.Your accomplishments have been fantastic and the fact that your family is making a big deal about this shows it.

Also, I agree with Karl. When something like that bothers me, I check my own motivations.

 Race your race, enjoy the fact you're there and capable of doing it.

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