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2007-03-19 7:48 AM

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Subject: Transition Area Etiqutte

I had my first race of the season, and it started off on a bad note.

I always try to get to races early so I can set up my transition area before the throngs show up and take all the good spots. At this race, it's even more important since you are assigned a rack, but you can take any place on the rack, first come first served (or so you would think). By getting there early, I was able to get a spot right on the end of the rack--perfect position.

So by 7:15, a good hour and 45 minutes before the race start I had all of my gear laid out right on the end and my bike racked. I did my usual race warm up--a little 15 minute run and then took the bike out for about 10 just to work through the gears and get the blood flowing to my cycling muscles. Right before I left to take the bike out, I noticed that two of the seven folks assigned to my rack hadn't showed yet, so I draped a shirt over the rack where my bike was to save my spot.

I really didn't think it was necessary, because my stuff was set up *right* next to the empty spot and surely anyone could see that spot was taken. But to be safe, I did it anyway.  So I went for my ride, came back, and wouldn't you know it--the shirt I had hung on the rack was on the ground and a bike was in its place. And even more baffling, in front of where I had set my race stuff up, someone (presumably the same person) had set their stuff. Not beside, in front. What was he thinking?

So I'm standing there with my bike and I start asking people if that's their bike. And let me preface this by saying i am not a confrontational person. Oh sure, I have no trouble debating issues in CoJ, but arguments with strangers are not my thing. Peace-loving hippie, remember? So anyway, the third person I ask says it's his bike. This is how the conversation went:

Me: Is that your bike?

Guy: Yeah.

Me: That's my spot.

Guy: Your spot?

Me: Yes, my spot. See my stuff there on the ground? Where you put your stuff right in front of, blocking me?

Guy: Yeah?

Me: I got here early, racked my bike and set my stuff up. I went for a warm up ride and hung my shirt on the rack to save my spot--see that shirt you threw on the ground? It's my spot.

Guy: Well, there was no other place to put my bike.

(note that there was a good 3 feet of empty space on the end of the rack)

Me: Well, you can't put your bike there.

Guy: I *can't*?

Me: No...you can't.

Guy: Well, you don't have to be a dick about it. (I'm being the dick?)

Me: Look...I'm not being a dick, it's just not fair to expect that you can show up 45 minutes before the race starts and expect to not only get a good spot, but to set your stuff up in front of someone else's stuff and take their spot.

Guy: (unintelligible grumbling).

Me: We can slide the bikes closer together, but you can't have this spot.

Guy: More grumbling.

At this point, he starts sliding the bikes next to his down the rack. Again--there's plenty of room at the other end, but he's determined to not move completely. Eventually he gets straightened away (and moves his crap from in front of mine). Eventually he comes over to me and apologizes and shakes my hand. I say something about pre-race tension and he sort of laughs, agrees and tells me good luck.

So the situation was diffused, but it really shook me. I never raised my voice, but I wasn't backing down. I was really stern with him, and that's very unusual for me. This same situation happened at this race the year before, with a couple of guys almost throwing down--lots of very loud yelling and lots of obscenities. Throughout the confrontation I had that in the back of my mind and kept imagining it escalating to that point. It didn't, but it really took me out of my game. I shouldn't have let it, because I knew I was right and thought I handled it well, but it was one of those unexpected things that throws you for a loop. You just don't expect to get called a dick on race day, I guess.

So has anyone else had bad race-day etiquette situations? How did you handle them?



2007-03-19 7:55 AM
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Probably some red bike local. Sorry to hear about this. No ones deserves this kind of static pre race especially you man. You did a good job handling this and, yeah I remember those two butt heads from a year ago. You know the pressure of all that prize money must weigh heavily on some folks.
2007-03-19 8:34 AM
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So you're saying that it wasn't Cracker?

Just kidding...

You weren't a red bike, he was in the wrong. PRobably knew that and didn't think anyone would confront him about it.  That was blatant. Of course he knew it was someone else's spot. He just didn't care.

Even peace loving hippies should be able to stand their ground!

2007-03-19 9:01 AM
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This proves my theory called the "one in a hundred" theory. My wife loves this.

It states that no matter what you do, no matter what you participate, 99 out of 100 people are cool, decent with similiar goals as you.

But there's always that one a$$hole.

It just so happened that you got stuck next to him.

2007-03-19 9:03 AM
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You handled it perfectly.  I just hope I can do the same if it ever comes to that.
2007-03-19 9:27 AM
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The world is full of incredibly stupid people that only can think of themselves.  Congrats on handling it so well.  I likely would have unracked his bike and thrown it in the water at the swim start, then been hauled away by the local police and gotten a DNF, due to being in jail.

So how did you do in the race.  Did you kick his a$$??  Wink

Adios
Dave



2007-03-19 9:32 AM
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mndiver - 2007-03-19 10:03 AM

You handled it perfectly.  I just hope I can do the same if it ever comes to that.


Exactly, congrats on acting the way you did. Also I find what he said here very telling "Eventually he comes over to me and apologizes and shakes my hand. I say something about pre-race tension and he sort of laughs, agrees and tells me good luck."


2007-03-19 9:41 AM
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I had the same thing happen at a race last year. Being a slow old guy I just moved my stuff down to the empty spot - even though I was there early to get set up.  Way to hold your ground without having it escalate!
2007-03-19 9:56 AM
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That's just crazy.  I'll agree with the 1 out of 100 comment above, though.  You'll find these people everywhere.

Didn't you do Parris Island?  I just did MAP in NC and that was also run by SetUp Events.  We had assigned spots on our racks, not just a general rack.  That's odd, since I thouht they'd stay consistent for their events.

2007-03-19 10:12 AM
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sunburnin - 2007-03-19 10:56 AM

Didn't you do Parris Island?  I just did MAP in NC and that was also run by SetUp Events.  We had assigned spots on our racks, not just a general rack.  That's odd, since I thouht they'd stay consistent for their events.

Yep...for the third year in a row, and they've done it like that each of those three years. It is weird that they aren't consistent...

2007-03-19 10:34 AM
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Jim - You handled this situation well, certainly much better than I would have. 

 



2007-03-19 10:43 AM
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This is always a concern of mine, I'm also an early arriver. If I'm the second one to set up transition, I'm disappointed. I'm not too covenant of the first rows, as some people are, but I really like to have an aisle slot on the right.

I also like to warm-up on the bike, and have done like you, placed my stuff there and draped a towel over the bar. So far, no one has disrespected this, but I really want to get some iron-on letter and print "Reserved, Out Warming Up" on my towel to leave no doubt.

Nearly as bad is the late arrival who tries to squeeze an eighth bike onto a rack designed for seven. I have had to (politely, by my standards) ask them to go seek rackage elsewhere.

2007-03-19 10:54 AM
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Subject: RE: Transition Area Etiqutte
Not to hijack, but I'm also surprised that there weren't assigned spots on the transition rack.  The only tri I've done had assigned spots, and I just assumed that all races do.  Is first-come-first-served the exception or the rule? 
2007-03-19 10:54 AM
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I rarely take the bike out for a ride less than an hour before the race start, just for this reason. There have been times when I've come back and found people's handlebars threaded around mine on the rack. I just tell them that, come T1 time, ONE of these bikes is going to end up on the ground, and I'm a pretty fast swimmer. They get it pretty fast and move. I've also set up as you described, and come back to find my bike 3 or so from the end (people, just like this guy, somehow feel it's okay to move some one else's bike).

And I've also seen some "elites" that come late and expect people to move for them...
2007-03-19 11:02 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2007-03-19 10:54 AM Not to hijack, but I'm also surprised that there weren't assigned spots on the transition rack.  The only tri I've done had assigned spots, and I just assumed that all races do.  Is first-come-first-served the exception or the rule? 

Typically, I've seen each rack have a range of numbers assigned to the entire rack.  Then it's first come/first served for that rack.  I've one had one race where there were individually assigned spaces.

My frustration is those people who arrive late and then start shifting other people's bikes because they want to rack close to the aisle, rather at the more open spots further in.  I've called a few of them on it.  They don't like it, adn they'll glare and grumble, but they know they're wrong.

2007-03-19 11:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Transition Area Etiqutte
run4yrlif - 2007-03-19 11:12 AM
sunburnin - 2007-03-19 10:56 AM

Didn't you do Parris Island?  I just did MAP in NC and that was also run by SetUp Events.  We had assigned spots on our racks, not just a general rack.  That's odd, since I thouht they'd stay consistent for their events.

Yep...for the third year in a row, and they've done it like that each of those three years. It is weird that they aren't consistent...

Incredible - especially since you had your stuff laid out under the shirt (so there was no mistaking that someone was trying to reserve a choice spot for a later arriver).

Have you mentioned it to the Race Director?  Perhaps they can put something in the registration packet about not moving other people's stuff (including a shirt place holder). Given the distance and it's early placement in the season, PI I believe generally attracks some newbies ... so it could be that the Guy just didn't know.

Way to diffuse the situation ... is this new sternness a late embrace of "Peach through Strength"?



2007-03-19 11:22 AM
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That wud never happen in NY, we're all very cordial!

Seriously, that's why I don't warm-up on the bike (o.k. that, and a fear of the pre-race flat). Actually I've seen too much of that nonsense and I prefer to avoid it all costs.  I like to enjoy the pre-race comaraderie  that  is more common in the trans area.

2007-03-19 11:32 AM
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None of the races I have done had "assigned" placement within the rack.  Every race has had an assigned rack for the AG, but none have gone as far as to assign a specific spot on the rack.

As for going to the RD, yeah you could do that, but the RD has a LOT of other things to deal with right at that point.  Dealing with some idiot that doesn't respect other people is not something he is going to want to do right then.

I think you handled it well.  Had I been on the rack and moved, I am not sure how I would have handled.  But I don't think that being out on the end is going to make that much difference to me.  Last year I was pretty close to last of the water most races (in my AG) and pretty good on the bike... finishing about MOP.... and last in the run at most/all my races.  So I am not looking for a podium spot.  Let some other guy have the front, if I was 5-10 seconds out from a spot THEN maybe I might get a little miffed but 20 minutes or more... no worries here.

2007-03-19 11:50 AM
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I think you handled it very well. Sorry it threw you off your race a bit, though.
2007-03-19 11:51 AM
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brian - 2007-03-19 12:18 PM... PI I believe generally attracks some newbies ... so it could be that the Guy just didn't know.

You know, that was one of the things that bothered me all day--maybe the guy was a newbie and didn't know any better. I rationalized that since the guy wasn't a big number (>350 or so were in the novice wave, he wasn't. And also, it just seemed common sense that you wouldn't move a place holder *and* put your stuff in front of someone else's.

But to make myself feel better, I googled him this morning and he's done lots of races.

 

2007-03-19 12:16 PM
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SuzanneS - 2007-03-19 7:34 AM

... he was in the wrong. Probably knew that and didn't think anyone would confront him about it. That was blatant. ...



It's not just in transitions. Maybe I'm just noticing it more, but this kind of attitude seems to be getting more and more common. Jerks breaking rules of etiquette and common sense because they think they can probably just get away with it and no one will say or do anything.


Edited by Micawber 2007-03-19 12:18 PM


2007-03-19 12:41 PM
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How do I deal? I only compete in all-women races JUST KIDDING - we can be just as mean.

That guy's a jerk - good for you for sticking up for yourself.

And I agree about the 1/100 rule - esp motorcyclists!
2007-03-19 1:15 PM
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Eh, the women ca be just as bad.. i remember going to arace last year.. getting all my stuff set up.. coming back to check on things, and in comes this woman and her husband and kid rushing in to get a spot (this was about 15 min before race time), and the person next to me, hadnt moved their stuff clsoe enough to mine. So she starts freaking out to her husband, getting all upset over no spots, how terrible shes going to do etc, all the while telling him she wants to move my stuff over, WHILE im standing next to her looking at her. She wouldnt actually talk to me, but was saying things to her husband, I dunno, waiting for me to crunch myself, so taht she can fit in. I did it just because I wasnt in the mood to cause a scene, now 10 min. before race time, but she pissed me off. I guarantee had i not been standing there she would have just started kicking people stuff around and randomly moving bike, onto other racks, tahts how nuts she was!

Edited by kellc09 2007-03-19 1:17 PM
2007-03-19 1:19 PM
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But to make myself feel better, I googled him this morning

Sounds like you guys are really close now.  Good to hear it......

but UGH count me in as another that hesitates to warm up on the bike for this very reason.  It never ceases to amaze me what some people do, especially experienced racers.

You handled it well, better than I would have.  Sounds like he knew he was in the wrong but couldn't take his lumps so he got defensive.  It's just a PITA to have to deal with things like that on race morning.

2007-03-19 1:26 PM
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I've only done 2 races: one was a free-for-all. No assigned racks or areas or anything. It was a bit overwhelming for my first race. - go find an empty space! Gaaaaa. The second race, we had an assigned slot on an assigned rack.

In both races, people in my vicinity were overly kind (maybe they could tell I was a newbie?)... asking if I had enough room, offering me some of their breakfast (?), helping me rack my bike, etc. Hopefully my luck will continue!



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